Open Thread for Monday, August 22, 2016

Who would he need blocking for him to achieve THIS goal?

Who would he need blocking for him to achieve THIS goal?

Some quick glimpses of what’s out there…

  1. Former USC star Lattimore interested in running Richland Recreation Commission — All I can say is that I doubt he could do a worse job. Beyond that, I’m not sure what to say. Maybe you football fans will know.
  2. Trump, Shifting Tone, Says He Will Be ‘Fair’ on Immigration — Yeah, that would definitely be a shift. This is worrying me. Ever since Manafort was pushed out, he’s been doing the stuff that Manafort tried to get him to do — stuff he would have to do to win the election.
  3. Carolina Band is tuned; are you ready for Gamecock football, too? — When I saw that headline, my response was, “Would it do any good if I said, ‘No!’? Would it delay the inevitable?”
  4. Speedo Cancels Its Sponsorship Deal With Ryan Lochte — Sounds OK to me. I mean, I’d rather see Speedo dropping Lochte than Lochte dropping his Speedos…
  5. How welfare reform changed American poverty, in 9 charts — With the reform 20 years old and another Clinton running for president, it makes sense to take stock.

Note that I just gave you three sports-related topics. Do I win a prize?

37 thoughts on “Open Thread for Monday, August 22, 2016

  1. Karen Pearson

    I think Lattimore might do well in that job, if he could clean house in that dept. I can’t read #5. Poo on the WaPo.

    1. Brad Warthen Post author

      I’m sorry you couldn’t read it. Here are the main points of the story:

      1. Fewer people are on welfare
      2. But the government didn’t save money
      3. Most families in poverty don’t receive welfare
      4. Poverty is higher than in 1996
      5. Poverty among children has declined
      6. More unmarried mothers entered the formal workforce
      7. Deep poverty increased among families with unemployed adults
      8. Millions of people live on less than $2 a day in formal income
      9. Families have become less dependent on welfare

  2. Claus

    “I’d rather see Speedo dropping Lochte than Lochte dropping his Speedos…”

    Wouldn’t it be a joke? Like Naked Trump? We’d just all laugh and move on.

  3. Mark Stewart

    Journalism ethics 101: What was the Hilton Head paper thinking getting involved in “reporting” on the high school principal’s divorce allegations? I see The State ran it, too.

    Maybe I’m missing something, but I just don’t get it. The paper didn’t even bother to make it sound salacious – it’s just sort of tawdry, the reporting that is.

    1. Kathryn Fenner

      The State seems to have become a repeater for the HHI Packet. The “humor” columns are bad enough. Surely The State can find enough truly local news, or wire reports on national and, gasp, international news?

      1. Brad Warthen Post author

        Well, the Hilton Head/Beaufort papers are McClatchy papers, so the content is free. AND the publisher of those papers, Sara Borton, is also publisher of The State. She spends most of the week here, and maybe a day down there.

        And yeah, I could do without columns such as this one, which make you go, “Huh?” Because it is SO chauvinistically local, and so Hilton Head. (The bit I read before moving on, that is.)

        But on the other hand, this is one indirect way for The State to reclaim some of its heritage as a statewide paper.

        I closed The State‘s last two SC bureaus — Beaufort and Florence — back in about 1993, shortly before I moved to editorial. Not because I wanted to retreat from the rest of the state, but because I wanted to make the coverage broader.

        I closed Beaufort because it wasn’t what we needed, especially when we lacked bureaus closer in (before my time over the bureaus, we had had them in Newberry, Camden, Orangeburg and I think Winnsboro). And I closed the Pee Dee bureau because Lisa Greene was doing a great job there, and I wanted to use the FTE to have someone cover the whole state the way she did the Pee Dee — a sort of statewide G.A. (general assignment position). Somebody to parachute in to wherever the hottest news was outside the Midlands. (I chose Jeff Miller, a Newberry bureau veteran, for the job.) Trouble is, right after I made that move, I moved to editorial, and the newsroom editors in their wisdom devoted the statewide G.A. position to something else they deemed more important…

        1. Kathryn Fenner

          Who cares if they are a “statewide” paper? The Post and Courier and the Greenville News and the Aiken Substandard, et al. can do where they are. I want lots of local coverage and if they run out, add some national and international news, just because some of their readers need to be reminded that there are countries outside of ours….

          Yes, the piece you linked to was especially egregious, but the guy who writes a lot of “humorous” (= not funny) pieces they publish is almost as bad. In general, Neil White was great, then Dave Barry, then nobody. Dying is easy; comedy is hard.

          1. Brad Warthen Post author

            You’re putting Neil ahead of Dave? I’ll tell him next time I see him.

            I’m less likely to run into Dave Barry, so you’re safe there. I last had a conversation with Dave in the press room of the Democratic National Convention in Atlanta in 1988. He and some other wise guys were pulling a practical joke on Mike Royko, and he was telling me all about it with great relish.

            I felt like one of the cool kids to be included…

  4. Doug Ross

    More illegal activity uncovered by Ron Aiken of Quorum within the Richland County Recreation Commission.

    http://quorumcolumbia.org/2016/08/23/moonshine-counterfeit/

    “Through months of conversations with more than 15 current and former Richland County Recreation Commission employees with first-hand knowledge of the operations, Quorum has confirmed that:

    David Stringer, Human Resource Division Head, has operated a cell phone accessory business specializing in counterfeit knockoffs of name-brand goods out of his office (and at local flea markets) for more than a decade; and
    Bryan Crider, Division Head of Property Management, has operated an illegal moonshine business on county property and time in addition to allegedly using a county credit card to buy lumber for an online woodworking business he runs with Marta Cleary, the director of property management.
    “David is always selling at the job,” a current employee whose office is in the same building as Stringer told Quorum. “People go into his office to buy things almost daily.””

    Now here’s the bothersome aspect to the story. Aiken has informed Sheriff Leon Lott of these allegations directly. He was contacted by Aiken and quoted in the story as saying the activities are illegal and that

    When contacted Monday by Quorum and told of the above allegations, Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott said both activities are problems in Richland County and said this:

    “Moonshine is illegal,” he said. “Counterfeit merchandise is illegal to sell. “Demand for both products drives delivery. Moonshine kills, plain and simple. Knockoff merchandise costs all of us because the legit manufacturers pass on their losses to consumers.” When asked if the sheriff’s department had an interest in pursuing the cases mentioned above given the preponderance of eyewitness testimony, Lott was direct. “Yes.”

    So why isn’t something happening to enforce the law? When a random photo of Michael Phelps smoking pot from a bong showed up on the internet, they were all over that “case” immediately. With the RCRC, the allegations of misdeeds have been out there for months and nothing happens.

  5. Doug Ross

    From the AP:

    “WASHINGTON (AP) — More than half the people outside the government who met with Hillary Clinton while she was secretary of state gave money – either personally or through companies or groups – to the Clinton Foundation. It’s an extraordinary proportion indicating her possible ethics challenges if elected president.

    At least 85 of 154 people from private interests who met or had phone conversations scheduled with Clinton while she led the State Department donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs, according to a review of State Department calendars released so far to The Associated Press. Combined, the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. At least 40 donated more than $100,000 each, and 20 gave more than $1 million.”

    But it just doesn’t matter. She’s clean as a whistle.

      1. Henry Hill

        You know, we always called each other goodfellas. Like you said to, uh, somebody, “You’re gonna like this guy. He’s all right. He’s a good fella. He’s one of us. You understand? We were goodfellas. Wiseguys.

      1. Mark Stewart

        They should. It is an unseemly enterprise as long as a Clinton is considering, running, in elected office, or appointed to one.

        That doesn’t mean I think it is corrupt; but it is entirely inappropriate for a leader of the United States to engage in fundraising, etc. related to such a foundation. Neither the money nor the control reflect well on her here. To not have seen that since she was appointed Secretary of State is both willful delusion and symptomatic of the underlying problem their foundation creates.

        They should follow Warren Buffett’s action and turn over their fortune/foundation to Bill Gates’ charity. If Bill Clinton wants to hobnob across the globe representing the good works of the foundation(s) let him. Under those terms.

        1. Pat

          “They should follow Warren Buffett’s action and turn over their fortune/foundation to Bill Gates’ charity”
          This would be a good option instead of shutting it down. I just read a response opposing the foundation’s shut down based on the more than significant good done for HIV+ children, an area ignored before the Clinton Foundation came in.

    1. Brad Warthen Post author

      “But it just doesn’t matter. She’s clean as a whistle.”

      No, she isn’t. She’s just the only sane person left running for president.

      I wanted John Kasich. This is what I got.

      For the benefit of the Mafia Guy above, I’ll quote what Sonny Corleone said about Tom Hagen: “Pop had Genco; look what I got.”

      1. Brad Warthen Post author

        Which was unkind to Tom. Actually, Tom might make a good presidential candidate. I think he’d make a great secretary of state. Very diplomatic. Look how he handled that Hollywood pezzonovante

      2. Doug Ross

        There are other options. You just choose to stay the course. Can’t give up on endless wars.

        1. Mark Stewart

          Doug, there are no other credible options.

          If you want to squander your vote on an unqualified Libertarian candidate that’s your choice.

          But the deal here this year is either vote for Trump, or vote for Clinton. Full stop.

          1. Doug Ross

            That’s silly talk. That suggests that there is nothing that could come out in the next ten weeks that would change your opinion. If there is a smoking gun that connects Hillary and Bill to pay-for-access, it doesn’t matter? If she ends up passing out and hospitalized it doesn’t matter?

            The third party option in this case has more elected experience than either of the two major party candidates.

            Voting for corrupt politicians means you’re part of the problem. Fuller stop.

            1. Brad Warthen Post author

              And every single vote for a third candidate is a vote for Trump. That’s the way it works. See Nader, Ralph.

              Elect Hillary, and if she’s “corrupt,” impeach her. And we have President Kaine. Instead of President Trump.

              1. Doug Ross

                Just think about what you are proposing as a better alternative to voting for Johnson. I’ll leave the ballot box with a clear conscience.

                The “at least she’s not Trump” mindset is why I still think Trump has a chance. The level of hate toward Hillary will drive more people to vote for Trump. I don’t think the anti-Trump crowd is as motivated. They’ll assume others will vote for Hillary.

          2. Claus

            Will Hillary change her tune on for profit universities now that it’s been released that her husband was handed a public relations job with the largest for profit university in the country which paid him $17.6 million dollars over 5 years and also donated $3-4 million to the Clinton Foundation during that period? I find it interesting that Bill held the job up until Hillary declared she was running for President.

  6. Doug Ross

    A section of the Village at Sandhill shopping area has been foreclosed on. That normally wouldn’t be big news to me but what I find interesting is that despite major financial troubles for the M.B. Kahn company over the past several years, they were chosen to be one of the three firms to run the Penny Tax construction projects. How is that good fiscal responsibility? Why would a company with several million dollar projects in bankruptcy be selected to reap the benefits of the penny tax boondoggle? Hmmmm….
    I have my own suspicions.

    1. Mark Stewart

      M.B. Kahn didn’t go bankrupt. The construction firm has a long record of successful public projects.

      Alan Kahn got into development trouble reaching for projects in Virginia. And also for letting himself be suckered into the fanciful idea that people would want to own expensive condos in the midst of a planned retail shopping center. The fact that creating condos also negatively impacted the control he had over his parcels under commercial development also didn’t help. It was all pretty star-crossed. As is the site he wanted to develop.

      Columbia is a brutally tough place to invest in retail shopping centers. It looks like Hughes Commercial is finding that out the hard way, too.

      1. Doug Ross

        M.B. Kahn was reaped the benefits of the half billion dollars of school bonds in Richland County. When I was running for school board in 2002, I found out they were being paid $50K per year to advise the school district on the construction (where, when, how much) . That seemed to be a conflict of interest in my view. Advise or build, not both.

        1. Mark Stewart

          You don’t even want to get near the dirty world of school district site selections, Doug. Step away from the chasm if the RCRC situation gives you heartburn.

          1. Doug Ross

            Oh, I learned that very well in 2002. I have no proof, but a very strong suspicion that money flowed from builders to some school board members and others. The whole push to fund the school bonds was a coordinated effort that left us with many new fancy schools with all the amenities and yet no improvement in actual classroom performance. Half a BILLION dollars. Lot’s of incentive to grease the skids when you’re dealing with that kind of money.

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